Friends, change is difficult and we are living through a lot of them right now. Many of which are out of our control.
Host Adam J. Salgat and Leader of Curriculum Improvement & Development for Our Community Listens, Sarah Weisbarth, discuss living in an ever-changing world and acknowledge how different DISC profiles may react when faced with significant change. The conversation shifts into the logic and emotion bubbles and tips on handling stress. They talk about taking time to “practice the pause” and how it can be a game-changer.
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Adam Salgat:
Hello and welcome to the Our Community Listens podcast. My name is Adam Salgat and today is April 28, 2020. With me today is leader of Curriculum Improvement and Development for Our Community Listens, Sarah Weisbarth. How are you doing today Sarah?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Adam, I’m going to tell you I’m doing well today. I am actually feeling a lot of stress around what feels like … I’m just going to call it change.
Adam Salgat:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sarah Weisbarth:
Which is really interesting because I think that’s what we’re going to talk about today.
Adam Salgat:
Absolutely. You said you wanted to talk a bit about change in how different [DISC 00:01:21] tendencies deal with it and then we want to transition that into our logic and emotion.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah.
Adam Salgat:
Let’s jump into that. If you don’t mind, tell me a little bit about how the D tendency will deal with change.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Well, I’m going to back the truck up a little bit and talk about why we’re even talking about change.
Adam Salgat:
[Inaudible 00:00:01:39].
Sarah Weisbarth:
We had the opportunity to do a webinar just last week and I think actually one is happening today about living in an ever-changing world and we’ve felt that that was really relevant based on what we’re facing in a worldview right now, on April 28th, 2020 but also in the realization that change is always happening around us. If we shift back and think about it, we hear that idiom all the time, that the only constant is change.
Adam Salgat:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sarah Weisbarth:
Whether it’s change because of what’s happening as a world crisis, whether it’s change in our country, in our region, in our organization, in our family units and in groups that we care about, if we really pause and think about it, change is happening always and often.
Adam Salgat:
Absolutely.
Sarah Weisbarth:
We’ve done podcasts in the past and we’d have to go back and plug in what number they are … I should have looked them up. That explain the change process and how people go through that process of change and it involves being [inaudible 00:02:45] aware that the change is happening than we feel some anxiety or some sort of emotion around change. Then we can work towards a space of acceptance in rationalizing the change and then when we get bought it like, okay, I can get on board with this and then prepare for the change and then act upon it.
Adam Salgat:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sarah Weisbarth:
Well, you can see that play out in our worldview right now, right? I think a lot of people are feeling anxious, are feeling emotion related to changes that are happening in their lives and that’s where we’re going to get to like, well, if I’m feeling all of that emotion, how do I bring my logic back in balance? That’s where we’re going to hopefully under time together.
Adam Salgat:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sarah Weisbarth:
But really what I want to start to talk about is that middle piece. We’re aware of the changes happening, we’re nowhere experiencing some sort of emotion. Well, how do we work on accepting the change, getting bought in and moving towards action around it? That really ties back to what you just said. How does this relate to our DISC tendencies?
Adam Salgat:
Yap. I think that’s always a good … As we went through it in the last podcast, it’s always a good opportunity for us to look at people with certain personality traits in the DISC tendencies, knowing that they can be different but it at least helps us step through it to identify those around us including ourselves and how this might look for us.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. I had a wonderful conversation with one of my colleagues last week and it was the most gracious conversation and it had everything to do around change. As it relates organizationally, we’re always developing new content, we’re coming up with new strategies to bring different material to our audience and I’ve been talking about it and sharing it and one of the individuals, one of my colleagues was really struggling with it. She was like … She was just having a hard time and in her mind … This is what she called to say to me. In her mind, she was being resistant and she’s like, “I just need to tell you, I’m really sorry because I feel like I’ve been resisting you in every conversation we’ve had for the past couple of weeks around content development.”
Then she went on to share that she realized what was happening for her, is that because there was so much change going on in the rest of her life because of what’s happening in her world or what’s happening in her life? Is that what felt like another change? It was just really too much for her to process and to bear and so her response … If we go back to that emotion, her response was resistance. I wish our audience could see us right now because I’m literally using my hands to push back.
Adam Salgat:
Great.
Sarah Weisbarth:
I thought it was so gracious of her to call me and have that conversation. It really points to what we talk about when we use our skills and why they matter because what could have felt like resistance now has come to an understanding.
Adam Salgat:
It sounds like the two of you had opportunity then to really grow and connect and she took that opportunity to say … This is really [dumbing 00:06:00] it down but, “Hey, it’s not you, it’s me,” Kind of thing.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. Absolutely, and it was like … When I say it was so gracious for her to be aware, right?
Adam Salgat:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sarah Weisbarth:
I actually said and it was like, “Wow, for starters, you don’t need to apologize because I could see what was happening and we’re just going to work through this together.”
Adam Salgat:
Sure.
Sarah Weisbarth:
But, thank you for sharing with me your process through the change and what you’re walking through. That was an honoring gift, to just even to reach out and share that personal growth with me. I share all of this just to give some realistic context. When we are under stress, when we’ve got a lot going on, we’re going to all respond a particular way when it comes to, how are we processing change? We talked about … I’m going to say last week. I know it wasn’t last week but [inaudible 00:06:55] very last podcast … I’m so glad you’re here to keep me on track.
Adam Salgat:
You can just say last podcast. Our listeners [inaudible 00:07:02] … They’re following along, they’re there with us.
Sarah Weisbarth:
I’m so glad. As we talked about last time, as it relates to DISC tendencies and those DISC tendencies on fire, they’re on fire in the midst of change too but we can also use our DISC tendencies to help us manage through it. I want to go back to original question.
Adam Salgat:
Can I jump in quickly?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Please do.
Adam Salgat:
When I’m thinking about the DISC tendencies and D, it reminds me of our conversation with Kathy [inaudible 00:07:31] from [inaudible 00:07:33] and talking about the change that they’re going through as an organization and if I remember correctly, her tendency is a D and for her, change generally excites her. Is that true for most common characteristics of a D?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. When you look at the tendencies of [Ds 00:07:54], Ds love change. Ds are usually the ones initiating the change. Ds are like, “Cool, this is a change, I can see how we’re going to do it. Now, let’s just go do it.” They skip and jump through the box … Of what we call the change box. Interestingly enough, what we’re seeing when they can’t control the change … Because if we go to the psychological needs of the Ds, there’re need to control their environment. If they’re not dictating the change or if it’s a change situation that they can not control, that’s going to be really difficult for them.
Adam Salgat:
I would say that what a lot of them and what most of us are in right now. There’s a lot of change happening that we don’t have control over. There’s only certain aspects of it that we do get to control.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. I know that we focus a lot on the Ds and about control but we’re all trying to manage our space and our environment in one way or another. We all need that locus of control. Ds just … They excel when they’re able to direct and guide processes and direct division. When it’s something that’s so unknown and so out of their control, it’s going to be very difficult for them to manage.
Adam Salgat:
Is there anything else you’d like to say about the D tendency when it comes to change?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Well, you’ll see that if it’s a situation that they can’t control, they’ll go find a situation they can control. You’re seeing a lot of interesting things crop up with, “Well, I can’t do this so I’m not going to go do this.” And people step into maybe leadership or direction in areas that they wouldn’t normally or maybe shouldn’t be because they’re just trying to control something.
Adam Salgat:
Right.
Sarah Weisbarth:
It feel like they’ve got some sense of control.
Adam Salgat:
Okay, that can make sense and I can see how that could be productive or it could be counter productive in both ways.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yep. My secondary tendency is D and I see it happening in myself where I’m literally like, “I just got to go find something that I’m in charge of so then I’ll just feel better.” It could literally be like organizing the shed but I’m at least in charge of it.
Adam Salgat:
Yap. I can see that and I can see how that can happen for any D. Would you like to move on to the I tendency?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Absolutely. Traditionally, we talk about I tendencies and they’ve got that desire for social acceptance and they’re always looking at the people. How are the people being affected and so in a change environment, when a change is happening, that is what their focus is going to be on. Where am I in this, do I still matter and how are the people around me, the people that I care about going to be affected? That could be again a work environment, family environment, a community environment. Whatever they’re thinking of, they’re always thinking about the people and then they’re thinking about their place in the midst of that.
Adam Salgat:
That can be … I’m guessing right now. That can be a tough thing to hold on to right now because a lot is unknown and people are trying to figure out how can they help.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. Absolutely. That’s kind of what we talked about last time. In order to move through a change that they can’t necessarily control, they’ll look to do things that serve people and put themselves in some sort of … I don’t want to say significance or value, but those are the best words I have right now. Where they understand what their place is in all of it. Like, where am I supposed to be? They’ll create opportunities or projects around that. People and themselves having some sort of place in it all.
Adam Salgat:
Go you. Is there anything else you’d like to add about the I tendency?
Sarah Weisbarth:
As we think about the different tendencies, we can look at others and see what’s happening with them. I think it’s also important to remember that we can help people process through change. When you say what else about the i tendencies, it’s that realization of like, “Wow, how can we help then people … That’s how I always call it. How can I help them be engaged with people so moving through this change might be easier for them? That would be the same thing with the D. What are some things I could put in the position of a D that they feel like they have some control over that would then help them with this change?
Adam Salgat:
In the case of the I, if you’re within a business, it might be finding them a job that you know is going to impact a lot of people?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Oh, absolutely. They are the ones that you know are going to bring that connection amongst your organization together.
Adam Salgat:
Let’s move on to the C tendency.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Well, we can’t miss the [Ss 00:12:37]. We can’t skip the Ss.
Adam Salgat:
I jumped right over the Ss. I do apologize my stability friends, my steadiness friends out there because I’m one of them. Tell me a little bit about how Ss tend to respond in change.
Sarah Weisbarth:
One of the limitations of the S is, they can be people pleasers. It’s really kind of funny. If they were literally skipped over, they’d be like, “No, it’s okay, I’m fine. You can move on to the [Cs 00:00:13:08]. It’s all right.”
Adam Salgat:
Then we go home and cry ourselves to sleep.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. Because they have a natural gift in making sure everyone’s needs are met. When that is overextended, that can kind of be people pleasing … That’s totally a judgment word. But I’m just using it to create a picture and even forget what maybe their own needs are or forget what’s the goal, what are we here really to do because they’re just trying to help everyone else feel okay. One of my greatest concerns for Ss as a tendency is that because they’re so gifted at taking care of everyone else, that we’re in that space, are they taking care of themselves? You’ll see S tendencies a lot in service industries, I think we mentioned this last time.
Adam Salgat:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Sarah Weisbarth:
The way an S actually processes through change is, they just kind of suck it up and deal with it because … I love that you are laughing and nodding. I’m like, “Oh, you’re resonating with that statement.”
Adam Salgat:
Yeah. You just do … I don’t know. Suck it up and deal with it is a very personal thing for me with dealing with a disability, a physical disability. Maybe that’s part of why I’ve become an S, is dealing with that. Because [inaudible 00:14:33] my life, you just do and lots of people in lots of walks of life and in lots of different situations also … I’m not trying to put myself above them. A lot of them also suck it up and deal with it. That is honestly one of my go-to things like phrases or mantras is just … It’s okay. Suck it up and go push. Right?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes.
Adam Salgat:
Yeah. When you say that, it causes me a smile, it causes me to kind of connect directly to that.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. Depending on the … Maybe the intensity of that strength, sometimes that’s a good thing. You can just move through things and it creates resiliency. But to an extreme, it might not always be a healthy mode of operation.
Adam Salgat:
Definitely.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Again, my concern for Ss is, where are they in all of this and generally speaking, Ss, because one of their psychological needs is stability and I feel like the word stability and change pretty much opposed to one another.
Adam Salgat:
They are juxtaposition for sure.
Sarah Weisbarth:
That then changes a little bit more difficult for S tendencies, because there’s so much uncertainty, there’s so many unknowns, they don’t know the impacts and they have a people focus as well along with the [Is 00:00:16:59], where then they want to know how is everyone going to be okay and what is my role in this? I want to make sure I’m meeting the needs so I need the information to know that I’m meeting the needs of how this change is going to impact.
Adam Salgat:
Got you. You want to move on to the Cs now as I didn’t mean to try and skip over our S friends including myself?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. It’s really interesting because I was finishing up with the Ss talking about information. They kind of want to know the how while Cs want to know the why?
Adam Salgat:
Okay. They want that data?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. It’s like, “You’ll hear from C tendency, myself included.” Well, I’ll be like, “Well, that just doesn’t even make any sense, right?” If it’s not logical, if it doesn’t make sense, then it’s easy for a C tendency to just qualify it as ridiculous and why are we even doing this? I’m literally using words that happen in my own head as [inaudible 00:16:59].
Adam Salgat:
Because it’s something you cannot do.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Absolutely. I think one of the things that’s been hard for me … I guess I’ll talk about myself in the midst of change is, I’m always looking for what the plan is and I say that often. Okay, I usually have plan A, B and C already mapped out in my head when I go into a situation. Well, then change is so constant. My mind is exhausted because my plan A, B and C has either worked or not worked or been thrown out multiple times, multiple ways when change is constant.
Adam Salgat:
Yep. It’s things coming in that are out of your control.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. Exactly and so I’m like, “I can’t even tell you. You should ask my leader right now.” She’s like, “I know you want a plan.” And am like, “Yes and I’m trying to make the plan, but we need a plan.”
Adam Salgat:
Right. Is there anything else you want to add about the C tendencies and how they respond to change?
Sarah Weisbarth:
I think the thing that’s maybe been helpful for me is to learn how to let go of it, having to be perfect. My Executive Director has kindly reminded me of that. That in the plan and wanting it to be perfect, where’s the room for it also to be organic and for it not to have to be absolutely perfect. That is something I continue to work on and when I do, it is helpful for me as I move through change. I don’t have to have all of the information and all of the answers all of the time. If I can just maybe narrow it down to what’s the focus and the direction, the other things will come together.
Adam Salgat:
I got you. It sounds like it’s something that you guys are working on and working on together?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. It’s really interesting because I said I wanted to shift towards logic and emotion and all of this because as I’m sharing with you my techniques for managing myself through change, I’m reflecting that it’s really than how am I moving past that high emotion of reacting to change into … Okay, well, now how am I going to get through this change?
Adam Salgat:
As we know, when there’s a high emotion … And if we think about it like our bubbles, right? When there’s high emotion, our logic gets compressed.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes.
Adam Salgat:
Let’s talk a little bit about that and you just kind of alluded to it. How do we bring back logic and emotion into balance?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. As this relates to change.
Adam Salgat:
Yes.
Sarah Weisbarth:
We know that the first reaction to change is going to be some sort of emotion. Instantly, our logic and emotion are out of balance. I think it’s important … There’s so many ways to approach it. If I’ve initiated a change or if I see someone in the midst of what we call the change box, there in the box and they’re swimming through the emotion of reacting to change, the best thing I can do for them, the most helpful thing I can do for them is to listen.
Adam Salgat:
Listen.
Sarah Weisbarth:
[Yay 00:20:09], good job.
Adam Salgat:
I didn’t mean to Jump in there but I really was excited and knew the answer.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. Everything we teach is around that listening. How are we supporting people solve their own problems, process their own change, manage their own personal growth while we do that through listening and we’re skilled at it and we teach it and it’s what we do. What I’m starting to shift my own mindset toward is, okay, well, that’s great. I know how to help somebody but what happens when I am the one dealing with the change?
Adam Salgat:
Yeah. Absolutely, I’ve been through some of that. What have you found or what do you recommend?
Sarah Weisbarth:
I’m the one dealing with the change. My logic and emotion are completely out of balance. I was sharing the logic and emotion bubbles with group of teenagers while we were still in in-person schooling. I had written it up on the whiteboard and was starting to fill in the bottom part of the bubble with all of the emotions that anyone could ever feel about anything. I was having the teens just shout out words like, give me emotions about how you might be feeling about exams, right? They’re like stressed, confused, doubtful, failing, excited, anticipatory. They’re just waking up all these emotion words so much so you run out of space. Then I paused and this brilliant voice from the group says, “Wow, if my brain is filled up with all of that emotion, there is no way I could even talk myself through being successful.”
Adam Salgat:
Wow.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. Because, the logic has gone. If we picture that, when we are caught up in all of that emotion, I want to be like, “Well, here are the top five ways to bring your emotion back into balance.” My logic space is like, “Yeah, that’s cool. I’m still emotional.”
Adam Salgat:
All right. Yeah, that’s the truth.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yep. For me, I think one of the key things … I’m in that emotional state, which is fine. I think emotional gets a really bad rap. Emotions are good, emotions are data points. Emotions are telling us something about ourselves and something about how we’re feeling to what’s happening around us.
Adam Salgat:
I think that in itself could be its own podcast someday. Talking about how emotions are looked at and why they are good for us and why they shouldn’t be deemed as, “Get over it and don’t have emotions at all.”
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah.
Adam Salgat:
We don’t need to go any deeper than what you stated but it really got me thinking about that as a positivity.
Oh, yeah. If I look at the emotion as a data point, it’s then telling me something.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Right.
Adam Salgat:
For me, I first have to be aware. I have to be aware that I’m either talking faster or my heart rate has increased or my hands are moving or I’m talking louder or I’m pacing or I’m feeling tension in my chest or my stomach is sick. Emotions show up somewhere physically. My first go-to is, becoming aware. Like, “Oh, okay, I’m having a response to whatever is happening around me.”
All right.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Then I have to identify it. Okay, and here’s me tapping my fingers because that’s how I think in my head. Like, “All right. Okay. Well, what’s happening, what am I feeling?” Literally, before I got on the phone to record this podcast with you, was on with a colleague because I needed to vent and she listened to me and as I was venting, I was actually going through like, “I think I’m angry. No, maybe I’m actually just disappointed. Well, I could be confused. Yeah, I’m really angry. Why am I angry?” It was almost engaging that logical mind back into the process.
Adam Salgat:
Right. I’m trying to identify and trying to figure out what’s really going on with your emotions and why do you feel the way you feel?
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. Absolutely. Then it’s like … And then that quickly shifts to self-analysis of like, “Okay. Well, I’m angry. I settled in the conversation on the word angry and then I was like, “Okay. Well, what about the situation that is making me so angry? What value of mine is triggered, what need isn’t being met? Those are going to be the two top things, right? That goes back to our [onion 00:25:07] slide.
Adam Salgat:
Sure.
Sarah Weisbarth:
It has me having to go, “Okay, what’s going on with me?
Adam Salgat:
Yap.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Why is this bothering me, why am I so angry? Once I do that, then I can take a deep breath.
Adam Salgat:
Got you.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Intentionally engaging in the pause because of the awareness, identifying the feeling … So important that we identify and acknowledge our feelings and then saying, “Okay. Well, what is this really about for me?” Going back to the practicing the pause, which we talk about but we don’t necessarily overly teach but we always encourage people to like, “You just need to pause, you need to practice the pause.” There are so many techniques I could have used in that moment of realizing that I was out of balance, that my emotion and logic were out of balance, I chose to call a friend. I chose to call a friend in event and it was also a friend that could have some information for me to help solve my problem.
Adam Salgat:
Sure.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Should I ever asked, she listened. I could count on that. Then I did have the opportunity to say, “Okay, now that I know this things about myself, I’m angry and here’s why … I was able to say, “Coach me. Help me understand now how I can best handle the situation that I’m angry about.” I was able to then have that logic come back into play and have a colleague support me through that. Other ways to practice the pause, I chose to phone a friend in event. Other things are, I could have gone out for a walk, it was a gorgeous day in Michigan, which is really exciting to say, right?
Adam Salgat:
Yes, it is.
Sarah Weisbarth:
If it start to happen, everyone’s like, “You have to go outside.”
Adam Salgat:
I know. It’s almost like if we were in regular work time, it may be like, “No, just stay clocked in and take a day, you’re fine, whatever. It’s good. It’s 65 in April. Let’s [soak 00:27:11] it up.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yes. I could have chosen to just step outside, I could have walked around the compound, I could have just sat on my [inaudible 00:27:22] and listened to the birds, I could do some deep breathing.
Adam Salgat:
Music.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Go ahead.
Adam Salgat:
Music. Music is one thing that I dropped. I just put some music on and it helps me kind of zone out and [not 00:27:37] shut my brain off a little bit and I think about the lyrics, I think about the sound. That’s one of them for me.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Absolutely. There’s actually a lot of science. It’s probably another conversation but there’s some science behind doing something rhythmic. That’s why I like walking at a pace or music or the breathing. Getting into a rhythm actually settles our body’s rhythm down so that then that emotion can actually just kind of settle down and release.
Adam Salgat:
Make sense.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Some people have a spiritual practice of meditation or reflection. People journal, people color. Whatever it is that that will create just a moment of just taking a pause and just getting grounded is so key. Being aware, practicing the pause and then starting to identify what’s going on with me.
Adam Salgat:
I’d like to mention a really quick and simple story about this practice, the pause, when you see someone else who needs to do it.
Sarah Weisbarth:
[Ooh 00:00:28:48], tell me more-
Adam Salgat:
Because … Well, I said something to my wife in the past week that made her upset. I knew it after I finished saying it and that I probably should have held it back. But for myself, the reason I said it was because I was frustrated about other things and as she needed time to go pause and take that emotion in, I realized pretty quickly what was going on with me so I went to try to fix the situation. I went to go talk to her and tell her, “Hey, this is what’s going on, it’s not you. It’s dealing with this and [yada yada 00:29:25]. Now, sitting here thinking about it, I probably should have given her more time.
It was a matter of minutes I did give her but she … Even though, I knew what was going on and I needed to apologize and I knew, in the end she would accept that apology, she was still in that state of pause, of being upset and not wanting to say something back or being rude and also being hurt and so therefore she needed to take a moment and I probably should’ve allowed her to have a little more time. In respect of seeing all the people needing a pause, keep that in mind. That sometimes they do need more time than what you’re ready to give them.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. That is an excellent example Adam, because it really … It’s like almost you continued to inflate the emotion of your wife. You didn’t give her that chance to let that emotion come back down where then she would be able to hear you.
Adam Salgat:
Right.
Sarah Weisbarth:
You could come to an understanding together.
Adam Salgat:
Right. Even though I knew … Like I said, the explanation would make sense and it would be okay in the end. Not giving her that time did kind of re-inflate it a little bit until it started to sink in. But honestly, had I waited longer, I think it could’ve gone a little smoother. Everything is fine, it’s all good and that was just something … To be honest, something silly and not even … Certainly, not worth the reaction that I gave it.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah.
Adam Salgat:
Like I said, I was stressed on other points and so that was trying to fix the situation. Afterwards, I realized I could have given her a little more time.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. That’s a really good point that you bring up. For one, there’s the awareness of timing and how do we recognize what’s going on for me, what’s going on for this other person and how to kind of balance those needs together but also your acknowledgement of like, there were so many other things going on at the same time. There’s probably 20 emotional and logic bubbles happening.
If we really think about our lives in general, we probably all have multiple logic and emotion bubbles that at any given time are either in balance or out of balance. When one becomes more inflated than the other, things get pressed on and push on in our capacity to adjust and manage through the change, becomes harder. It’s energy … This is so much of what we teach. People are like, “Well, I just can’t do that and I’m like, “Mm-mm, I don’t think so.” It’s not a can do or can’t do and I think there’s like a Yoda quotes that is supposed to come out of my mouth right now.
Adam Salgat:
Something like there is no do or there is no … Actually I think he says, “There is no try, only do.”
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. Something like that. It’s not that we can’t do it, it’s like, are we taking the time to pause and then remember, “Oh, this is probably what’s happening with me, oh, maybe I should listen right now, oh, wow, that’s their tendency happening. Well, that’s interesting. Maybe it’s not about me.” It’s not that we can’t do it, it’s that we’re capable if we just pause and take the time to get curious with ourselves, get curious about what’s going on with others and practice that intentional care of how are we reacting interpersonally together.
There’s so much going on right now and I know we’ve been really intentionally trying to craft these conversations so that they can be used in a global and time less environment. But if we think right now about what’s happening in the world, people’s emotions and logic are so far out of balance. You see, all of it, all across social media. There’s absolutely no ability for people to manage their reactions and it’s disheartening and it’s all because we’re under this enforced change that we have no control over.
I think we’re all probably realizing what it must be like to be a D tendency and feel the psychological need of being able to control our environment being ripped away from us and recognizing how are we reacting to that, what’s going on with the change process, where am I at in that and how is my emotion and my logic … That was funny. What is my emotion and logic either in or out of balance?
Adam Salgat:
Okay. Sarah, as we wrap up today’s podcast, what are your key takeaways for our listeners?
Sarah Weisbarth:
I think that the biggest takeaway I would like listeners to understand is that we talked about multiple different content pieces. We talked about change, we’re talking about DISC, we’re talking about logic and emotion and just the realization of how they’re all interrelate. I think the big one for our topic today was recognizing that when we are in a state of change, we’re going to have some sort of emotion about that and that emotions are okay and just recognizing and being able to identify them and then process through them.
Adam Salgat:
Beautiful summary. That was wonderfully said and wonderfully well done. Thank you Sarah so much for taking the time to talk to me.
Sarah Weisbarth:
Yeah. I really enjoy these conversations Adam. My greatest hope is that our listeners are learning from them, that they’re having their own [inaudible 00:35:04]. I feel like you and I have our own [inaudible 00:35:07] while we’re sitting here chatting together and know that there’s additional resources. We have ongoing opportunities to engage with our content and learning through our website and our Facebook and our LinkedIn. My greatest hope for our listeners is that they don’t feel alone, that they feel like we have resources for them and that they go forth and access them and we look or to engaging with them in the future.
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